God Already Made a Way (Waymaker) | Jamie | 022

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So at 3:00 I had gotten the the
text from the church secretary

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that we weren't going to be able
to meet.

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And then an hour and a half
later I get a message from him

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saying he thinks we'll be able
to meet at his church.

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That ended up being our haven
during that year.

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Welcome to When You Look, where
ordinary people share their

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extraordinary experiences and
you get to decide, was it

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coincidence or God?
Jamie, thanks so much for being

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on When You Look.
Really delighted to have you

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here.
Thanks so much for having me,

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I'm excited.
We are as well, and we know you

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have a great story to share, as
does every guest.

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But before we get into your
story, tell us a little bit

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about yourself.
OK, again, my name is Jamie and

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I am a homeschooling mom of
four.

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I've been married for 29 years
to Neil.

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We live in Mechanicsville, VA,
and basically I run a

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homeschooling group with
Classical conversations in

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Mechanicsville, and I've been
doing that for probably six or

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seven years now.
And I love helping families as

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they homeschool.
And then I just love being with

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my family so.
Awesome.

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Well, thank you again for being
on the show.

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We are excited to hear your
story.

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Before we jump to the story,
give us a little bit of the back

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story that leads up to the
events that you're going to

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describe, as I said.
I lead a homeschooling Co-op

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Classical conversations is the
name of it Classical

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conversations have.
We have communities all over the

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world and the way that we
typically meet is we meet in

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churches.
So right before COVID we were

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meeting in a local country
church here in Mechanicsville.

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And when COVID hit, we ended up
going online for those last few

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weeks.
So I was in talking with the the

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church secretary and she started
to kind of let me know that she

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knew that this was going to be
an issue for us to be able to

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meet.
And then we spent the summer

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kind of in turmoil wondering
whether or not we were going to

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have a facility to meet.
A lot of churches were we're

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scared and didn't know if they
could open their building to

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people, and our group really
wanted to get together.

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As homeschoolers, we thrive on
our time together and having

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that sense of community, and I
was very anxious and worried

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about what was going to happen
to my little community of

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families.
I in fact, I was so worried, I

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had actually been to the dentist
because I had developed TMJ just

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from like clenching my jaw and
being so worried at night, you

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know, just just worried about
what we were going to do.

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I think a lot of people were
worried during that time, but I

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had a lot of families depending
on me and depending on each

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other and depending on the
community.

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So I felt, you know, like I
needed to be able to provide a

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place for us to meet.
And I didn't think that was

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going to happen.
I was actually, I'd gone to the

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dentist, gotten some medicine
and then gone on vacation.

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I was in Myrtle Beach.
Well, I had gotten a text at

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3:00 PM that said, I have a
final answer.

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It's not going to work for you
guys to be at our facility.

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And I was working with my
support Rep, Amy and her and I

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were talking through the
situation and what we were going

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to do.
I was sitting under an umbrella

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on the beach and I was talking
to Amy.

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We were on the phone.
We were talking on the phone.

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And I was like, Amy, I don't
know what we're going to do if

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we can't go back to this church.
We're going to have to start

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over, find a new facility.
And as we're talking on the

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phone, sitting on the beach, she
was in Richmond.

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She had her laptop open.
And she said, Jamie, I have just

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gotten an e-mail and she read me
the e-mail over the phone.

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And she says, you know,
basically the the pastor in this

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e-mail, his name is Jeff.
He used to be a part of ACC

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Community.
He's a local pastor.

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He's been here for two years.
He's reaching out to us as ACC

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group to say, how can I help
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How can we as a church come
alongside you as ACC community

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and help you?
We both kind of sat there in

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just utter disbelief that that
while we were talking about the

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situation, we, you know, she
gets an e-mail from a pastor.

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So I immediately said, well, can
you reply to him and ask him if

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we can meet at his facility?
And she was like, absolutely.

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He responds and says, I'm fully
on board with letting CC use

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their building.
God had gone before us and

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provided this facility within
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saying that we weren't going to
be able to, to meet.

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So I say all that to say that,
you know, there's, there's CC

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groups that meet all over the
country, all over the world that

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struggle to get into different
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I don't know that a pastor has
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community and said, we're here,
can I help?

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Can we, can we be a help to you?
So that was just amazing that

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that he was able to to go before
us and to find us a facility

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without me really even having to
look.

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It's pretty awesome.
Yeah, totally.

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Well, thank you for sharing
that.

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I want to come back to a couple
of the details there to make

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sure that I've got them right in
my head because it certainly

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sounds quite amazing.
So you are super stressed out

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because it seems like the
writing is on the wall that

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you're probably not going to be
able to have the community back

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into the facility come the fall
of 2020.

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And that's kind of led to some
TMJ and, and lots of stress

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manifesting itself.
And you're on vacation.

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You're talking with Amy, who is
the area director or something

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along those lines.
And shortly after getting

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communication from the person
who led things at the facility

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that you were at, she gives you
confirmation.

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Hey, you guys have to be out.
You can't come back essentially

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in the fall.
And within hours after that, it

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sounds like roughly an hour or
so, Amy gets this e-mail saying

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how can we help?
And then not long after that

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it's confirmed you can use our
facility.

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Am I tracking all that right?
Yes, yes, exactly.

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So I kind of knew the writing
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about.
We knew that was coming.

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So at 3:00, I had gotten the the
text from the church secretary

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that we weren't going to be able
to meet.

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And then an hour and a half
later, I get a message from him

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saying he thinks it's we'll be
able to meet at his church.

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He just has to get, you know,
the final approval from them.

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And then we ended up meeting
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That ended up being our haven
during that year and he actually

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ended up being a very integral
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He ended up helping out with one
of the classes and it was just a

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beautiful partnership, so it was
really cool.

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Wow.
Tell us a little bit more about

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haven you use that word.
Well, you know, as a group of

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homeschoolers, I feel like
sometimes we're all out on our

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own.
We're all in our little homes

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homeschooling our children.
And we need a place to come to,

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to be together.
We needed that sense of

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community and to be able to have
a place that we could gather

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together and, and fellowship
together, minister to one

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another.
And it's amazing to to remember

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and to think that, you know, God
cares about this little tiny CC

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community that meets in
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little thing that, that, that a
God that's so big and powerful

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could care so much about
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But since this movement of God
in our community, I remember

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standing at Knox and saying,
God, you know, that was the name

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of the church, Knox.
God is doing something awesome

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in this community.
He wants us to meet and he wants

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to provide a place for us to
meet because things just don't

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drop out of the air like this.
Facilities don't drop out of the

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air like this.
God wants us to meet and then

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he's doing something powerful
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And I've seen that purpose that
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Now we have since outgrown that
facility and we have moved to

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another wonderful facility that
the Lord provided for us.

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And we've seen so many families
coming in the the refuge in that

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haven that I'm talking about
too, is during a time of so much

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turmoil.
You know, COVID was very

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stressful for a lot of people
that were trying to figure out

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what they were going to do with
their kids.

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We had a lot of families coming
in during that time because they

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were at home trying to
homeschool their kids anyway

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because the schools were shut
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So we ended up getting a lot of
families and this was such a

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wonderful, sweet little
opportunity for us to have a

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place to meet and start to go
to, to be together.

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Yeah.
Wow.

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Wow, That's so neat.
I want to explore a little more,

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Jamie, what you were just
describing in terms of God, you

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sense that that was sort of
doing something or that

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something was going to happen.
Tell us a little bit more about

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that.
Right.

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So you know, being being a group
of homeschoolers, you know, we

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have all different types of
walks of life and different

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people that come and go from our
community.

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But you know, we have a unique
opportunity.

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I even as the director, I have a
unique opportunity to be able to

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minister to families as they
come through.

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You know, sometimes we might
have families that are military

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families that are only there for
a year that we get to to get to

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know and to pour into and to
build relationship with.

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And then they might be gone
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family.
And I often think about the

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families that have come and gone
from our community and moved

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away, or we're military
families, that we're all going

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to be together again in heaven
and that we had this little time

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together on earth, but that
we're all going to be together

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again, you know, and when we all
get to heaven.

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But this community has just been
such a place of, of refuge for

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us as homeschoolers to come
together.

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And really for me, this is my
ministry.

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This is my place that I pour my
heart into, that the Lord has

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used me.
I believe he's used me as a

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vessel to to be able to minister
to these different families.

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We've had, you know, we've had
families go through divorce.

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We've had families, you know,
lose parents and, and together

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as a community, we've been able
to walk through that together.

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And sometimes, you know, it
looks a little different than it

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would at church.
You know, sometimes we get very

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polished up and we go to church
and we put on, you know, a, a

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face and, and we go and we check
all the boxes.

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But when we come together in
this little homeschool

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community, it's really a chance
to take down some of those walls

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that we put up and to be
vulnerable with one another

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because we're all walking this
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We're all walking and journeying
down this homeschool path

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together.
And this is an opportunity for

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us to just be together.
Yeah, wonderful.

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Seriously.
Thanks for adding all of that

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additional color.
I appreciate that.

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Did you have any prior
relationship with, I think his

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name is Jeff, the pastor that
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No, no relationship at all.
He basically just said, you know

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my name is Jeff.
I'm the pastor of a local Knox

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Presbyterian Church and mechanic
school.

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My family and I have been in the
area for two years.

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We were part of CC in the past.
I'm currently, his kids were

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currently in a private school in
the area, but I'm not sure if CC

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would allow me to be involved in
any way at this point.

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But if there is, I sure would
love to help.

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You know, he just wanted to
help.

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He thought maybe he could help
tutor a class or, you know, he

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didn't even know how he could
help.

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He just wanted to be able to
help.

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And I don't know that there's
any other emails like this in

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the world that has to do with,
you know, just reaching out as a

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pastor, laying it on his heart
to reach out to us and offer his

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help.
So, and on the, you know, the

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exact time frame that we're
searching for a facility, it was

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just, it was amazing.
And I was, you know, texting

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with him and Amy this morning,
both of them just going through

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the memories and, and
remembering and, and Amy just

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said, I remember that
conversation very clearly.

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We were sitting, you know, you
were in on vacation and we were

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on the phone and the e-mail just
popped up on my computer.

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You know, it's just, it's just
funny how God does.

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Yeah.
So definitely my opinion, it was

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God, but you know.
So I I want to explore this a

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little bit more too though
because you mentioned Jeff had

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his kids in a school and it
sounds like, but check me on

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this, it sounds like Jeff's kids
did not end up being involved in

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the CC community, meaning he
didn't have a horse in the race.

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No, he didn't.
He didn't.

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He just loved CC and loved
homeschooling.

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I don't think that for their
family, they, they had moved

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towards a private Christian
School when he came to the area,

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but he had seen what CC had to
offer and he knew that it was an

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amazing program and he just
wanted to see how he could help.

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So that's the part of it that's
that's so funny is that not only

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did he open his church and came
in, but at the time I really

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needed a tutor.
So I needed like, you know, I

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have different classrooms and
each one of those has a tutor

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that's in charge that introduces
the curriculum and, and works

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with the class.
And I needed a tutor.

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And he stepped into that
position for the first half of

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the year until one of our other
moms was like, I think I can do

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that.
So then, you know, he, he was

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just there filling in until we
could find someone.

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But you're right, he didn't have
any kids in the program.

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His kids had moved on and we're
in a different school.

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So it's just very cool.
Yeah, no prior relationship, no

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horse in the race, and he
reaches out.

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So good, so good.
I know, I know.

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Like manna from heaven.
It just dropped out, you know,

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to provide.
Yeah.

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Well, we asked Jamie these final
two questions of all of our

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guests.
And given what you just said, I

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have a pretty good idea of how
you'll respond to the first one.

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But we ask it nonetheless.
And that first one is was it

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coincidence or God?
You know, to me, it had

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definitely was God.
You know, the fact that I just

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think it's almost comical the
fact that the e-mail came

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through while I was on the phone
with Amy and she reminded me of

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that this morning as I was
texting and going through the

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memories of it.
She was like, we were on the

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phone when I got that e-mail,
Jamie.

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We were talking about what we
were going to do it.

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It's just, you know, sometimes I
just think God also has a sense

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of humor.
You know, that's funny to me

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that, you know, we're talking
about it and this e-mail pops up

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that, that this pastor, this
local church that's willing to

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help us out.
But so definitely God and then

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seeing the fruit of what he's
done in our community, how he's

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grown our community, definitely
the, the reason why he laid that

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out for us was because he had a
plan and he had he had a future

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and a purpose for our community.
So I love that he that he did

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that for us.
Well, final question for you,

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tell us how your life has been
impacted or how your life is

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perhaps changed as a result of
you seeing this as a God in

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action type of moment.
Yeah.

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So I think for me, it has really
grown me in my faith of just

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trusting Him and trusting that
he will provide.

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And, you know, you know, I think
we as homeschoolers, we put a

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lot of pressure on ourselves
that everything kind of is

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leaning on us of, of making sure
all of these things fall into

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place.
And our kids graduate, know how

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to read and know how to write
and do all these things.

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And so it's a constant battle of
just your own, your own faith in

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yourself.
You know, you have to kind of

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give that up and put it in the
Lord's hands.

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But so this moment, I think for
me really showed me that God had

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something in store for our
community.

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There was a reason and a purpose
for him wanting for, for us to

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continue to meet.
And I remember standing in front

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of the community and saying God
is doing something in our

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community.
I'm so glad that you're here and

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that you're part of it.
And I don't know what's coming,

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but I know it's going to be rich
and, and good because God is in

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this.
He is in this community and he

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wants, wants us to meet and, and
he has, he has got his hand on

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this community.
So I think seeing that and then

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just don't my growth and my
faith over the years since this

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has happened has really deepened
just because I've seen God come

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through, you know, and like I
said, my life's not perfect.

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My kids aren't perfect, but but
seeing that God has been able to

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use this to use me in this
community to minister to

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families to come alongside them
and help them in their struggles

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and in their in their
homeschooling journey has been

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such a blessing.
And my husband and I were

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talking this morning at
breakfast and he said, you know,

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it's funny how God has created
each one of us so different.

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You know, his ministry of what
my husband does looks very

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different from mine.
You know, his ministry looks

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like, you know, going out and to
VCU and doing St. preaching and

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sharing the gospel and, and my
ministry looks like ministering

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to to young families and new
homeschooling moms and it just

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looks completely different.
But, but he and he said, but

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both of those things show God's
character and show who he is.

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So all of us have a different
part that we're playing, but but

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all of it leads to his glory and
shows who he is, but it just is

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different, different parts of
what it looks like.

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So that was that was really
cool.

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But I just love being a part of
what God's doing.

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I feel like that he's using me.
He's dying my words and my steps

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as I pour into these families
and and try to help and

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sometimes by showing my own
vulnerability and my own

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mistakes that I've made.
But I have sat, you know, across

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from many a mom.
That, you know, has poured their

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heart out and shared and, and I
have just felt like the Lord,

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like God, I'm so thankful that
you had me in this place.

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And then I get to have this
conversation.

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Then I get to pray with this mom
I just had a few weeks ago, we

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had a new family join and there
was one spot left in my

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community of the younger
elementary kids.

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And I was kind of leaving that
spot.

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I really didn't know why, but I
had a couple families, I just

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didn't feel like it was the
right fit.

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And then this this mom comes in,
she's got these older kids that

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needed to be in our challenge
program.

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And then she had one kid that
needed to be in the younger

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program.
And so she sat across from me

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and we as we were going through
her application and her

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interview and I just said, this
is so cool that you're here

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because there was this one spot
left that I just did not feel

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like I was supposed to give up
yet.

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And now that you're here, I know
that that spot was for you, that

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God was saving that spot for
you.

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And she just started bawling,
crying.

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And I was like, oh, no, I'm so
sorry.

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And she's like, no, no, she was
like, God is so good.

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He's so good because he knew
that we needed this community.

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So that that's kind of like, you
know, I feel like our, our story

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started with this God doing this
amazing thing for us and giving

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us this facility.
And then, you know, all the way

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up until just a couple weeks
ago, just miracle and, and

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miracle and story after story of
families coming in.

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But and every time I'm just like
amazed, I'm like, God, you know,

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you're in this, you know,
you're, you're guiding our steps

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and just such a blessing to be a
part of that what he's doing.

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Yeah.
Go God.

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Go God.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Well, Jamie, it's been a real

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pleasure.
Thank you for walking us through

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all those neat details.
Thank you for sharing your

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heart.
Thank you for sharing the story.

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I am very confident that others
will be blessed by this.

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But thank you.
It's been a pleasure.

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Thanks so much for having me.
This was awesome to be able to

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share.
I knew when this happened that I

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was like, I'm going to get to
tell this story one day.

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We're going to continue to tell
the story of what God did.

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So, you know, it's just amazing
that we have this opportunity to

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be able to share on what God is
doing in this little town in

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Mechanicsville.
So followful.

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Praise God well again, been a
pleasure.

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Thanks a bunch for having you
and all for coming on truly.

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Of course, Yeah.
Thanks so much for having me.

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Well, there you have it.
Was it coincidence or God?

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You decide for yourself, but I
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