He Prayed “Break Him" and God Did | Peter & Slick | 034

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And I thought, you know what,
I'm I'm going to show them that

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I'm in control here.
And I went out and I punched the

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wall.
And I've never been that mad

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before.
I can remember it was almost a

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fury.
And it was a very stupid fury

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because the wall was concrete
and when my hand hit it I could

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hear it snap.
Welcome to When You Look, where

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ordinary people share their
extraordinary experiences and

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you get to decide, was it
coincidence or God?

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Peter and Slick, thanks so much
for being on When You Look.

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Super excited to have you guys
both here.

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Hey, thanks for having me.
Thank you.

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Yeah.
Absolutely.

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Really, really glad to have both
of you guys on.

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You guys have a super
interesting story to share, one

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in which you are both involved
and we're going to jump right to

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that after we learn a little bit
about you guys.

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So, Peter, why don't we start
with you?

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Tell us a little bit about
yourself.

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Sure.
My name is Peter.

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Currently I live in central
Illinois and basically I'm what

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they call bi vocational pastor.
During the daytime I have a job

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doing data analytics and in the
weekends and evenings I do

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campus ministry at University of
Illinois Champaign Urbana.

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Prior to moving here 2010, I
pretty much grew up in Virginia.

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So that's really my home and
went to school.

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That's where I met Slick and
such.

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I have a a wonderful wife,
Hannah, and three kids.

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They're all in college or just
graduated.

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Awesome.
Well, great to have you on,

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Slick.
Tell us a little bit about

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yourself.
Yeah, so I'm a a a lifelong

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Virginia native.
I've lived in Virginia in

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different parts for the past 50
some years.

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I won't tell you exactly how
many years, but I'm married to

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my wife Cheyenne and we have 8
kids, a few still in the home.

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I'm an IT professional and I
work in the Richmond, VA area.

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Awesome.
Well, great to have you boys

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both here, genuinely excited to
get into this story.

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I know our listeners will
certainly be interested as well.

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So let's jump in with a little
bit of back story.

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So Peter, why don't we go to you
and we'll start with a little

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bit of where you were and when,
and then we'll have Slick pick

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it up a little bit too.
Peter, tell us about the back

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story.
Yes, when I was I guess this

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will be 1989 or perhaps 1990.
I was first year at the

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University of Virginia and
during that time in my home back

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then Northern Virginia there was
a really what we call movement

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God revival among a particularly
Korean American churches and I

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was really byproduct of that.
I was really touched by God, and

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when I went to college I had
this strong burden that God is

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like sending me not just as a
student, but perhaps God has a

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few things he wants me to do.
So when I went to college, I was

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in a suite with a total of 10
students and Slick was I think

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2:00 rooms down to my room.
And so that's where I ran into

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sleep.
Now while I was there, somehow

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it's not your typical first year
thing, but that place in my

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heart to just play for all the
sweet me.

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So before I went to sleep,
starting from day one, I think

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pretty much every night I spent
few minutes just praying for

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every single person.
I don't think anybody knew it,

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but it's something that I felt
like God wanted me to do.

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Yeah, thanks.
So, Slick, tell us a little bit

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about what was going on for you
at school at this point.

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Sure.
So I've got to rewind a little

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bit, Mick, to years prior to
1989.

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I'm going to go to 1984.
That was the year I was 13 and

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my dad died of lung cancer.
I don't know how to put that in

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words, how impactful that is,
but it was very impactful,

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obviously.
And I spent the remainder of my

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high school year, high school
years, I really focused on

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academics.
I did very well academically

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and, but, but in fact, I would
say I almost had my hope in

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those academics.
Like I would be really smart and

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that would really carry me far
in life is what my thinking was.

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But as, as a, as the latter
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encountered those years.
I, I just sensed an emptiness

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and I, it's almost a void, a
vacuum.

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I couldn't fill it, didn't know
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You know, I thought, well, once
I get to college, things will

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start fresh and I'll just, you
know, have a reset, if you will.

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And it turned out that in 1989,
Sung and I were both freshmen,

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our first years at the
University of Virginia.

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And I can remember I, I'm, I'm
pretty social, pretty good about

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meeting people.
And I remember going and meeting

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the different suitemates.
Sung Peter and I were in the

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same suite and as he noted,
there were ten of us in total.

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And I went into his room and I
saw this picture of Jesus on his

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desk and I thought, oh man, what
a nut.

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And I thought, you know, I'm
going to meet him, but I'm just

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going to be honest.
I'll use the words, I use it.

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I'm just going to blow this guy
off because he's, he's not who I

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want to hang out with.
So that was kind of, he's very

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friendly, but I just really
wasn't interested in him at that

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time.
So that's, that's kind of how we

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met.
So that would have been in

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August or September of 1989.
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Wow.
OK, Well, this is, I think,

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going to get interesting from
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So Peter, why don't you start
telling us a little bit about,

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you know, what happens after you
guys meet.

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It sounds like, as you
mentioned, God had placed in

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your heart a, a desire, if you
will, to pray for all of those

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folks that were your suitemates.
So what happens next?

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Oh yes, so I get to meet all my
suitemates as I'm praying for

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them sometimes, you know, I have
this sense maybe I should just

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pay for certain people a little
bit more.

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And when somebody's name pops
up, there is the stronger

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feeling.
I don't know how to describe it.

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Maybe it's God sharing his heart
for that person.

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Perhaps.
But I did notice that Slick was

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trying to avoid me.
I'm not dumb.

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So I I was just cordial still
trying to reach out.

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And there are times when I feel
like because he was trying to

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kind of stay away from me, I
didn't know what to do.

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And I would stand in front of
his room while everybody's

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sleeping and really praying
earnestly that God will really

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work in, you know, Slick's heart
as well as his roommate.

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But particularly slick.
And I do recall times when I

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don't know how to describe it,
but just strong urge to pray

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intensely praying.
I I at that time I didn't know

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how to pray.
So I just said, Lord, please

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pray Slick until he knows that
he needs you.

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I remember many times as I was
praying, it wasn't just

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frustration.
I feel like maybe it was a

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burden, perhaps God's heart play
being placed in my heart to pray

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for slicked salvation or coming
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Peter, over what period of time
are all of these prayers

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occurring?
Usually late at night, perhaps,

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I don't know, midnight or
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So I would make rounds when
nobody was there or at least no

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one was in the suite.
Pay for all nine other members

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and that's just one time there
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during my time that I had
personal time in prayer, you

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know is faces pop up or I would
pray for, you know, St. mates

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and like.
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And over how many weeks or
months were you praying for

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Slick up until you kind of had
this moment of break him?

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Every day.
Every day, probably a few times

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a day.
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Midnight around that time for
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And probably during my personal
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I was.
It was just a burden I just

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can't describe.
And so I was praying for him and

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few other people.
More so than other people, yeah.

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Wow, so slick.
It sounds like you were doing

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your best to avoid Peter, and
Peter's aware of it and this

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Rab's countering that action in
prayer to some degree.

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But tell us a little bit about
what was going on for you and

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and your avoidance tactics.
Maybe so.

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So I to be honest, I, I can't
remember.

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I think Sony's probably captured
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He could probably feel it, but
there was so much going on I

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don't notice.
I just knew that I wasn't

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probably going to give him
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What was predominantly on my
mind was just an emptiness.

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I was at college and I couldn't,
I couldn't stuff things into my

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heart to get satisfaction.
And what happened one night was

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things I don't know.
I think it's like this for

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people.
Things build in your life and at

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some point there's one little
thing that's almost

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inconsequential, but it's a
strong proverbial straw that

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breaks the camel's back.
And I'll tell you what that was

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for me.
I just didn't know where life

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was going.
I couldn't figure out like, So

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what, what if I got an
education?

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So what, what if I got married?
I mean, what's the point of

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life?
It was just struggling with a

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lot of those kinds of questions.
It happened that one night, some

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suite mates of mine, some
friends of mine went to another

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suite, a girls suite, and we
went out to a football game at

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the University of Virginia.
What I didn't realize was that

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when I went to the girls suite
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when I sat down, the keys that
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room fell out of my pocket.
They slid backwards into the

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couch.
Didn't know that at the time.

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I subsequently found it out
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So we went to the game and I
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night and I reached in my pocket
to get my keys and I couldn't

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find them.
And as trivial as that is, it

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was again, it was it was a thing
that that really snapped me.

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I was so mad I couldn't find
them and I didn't have answers

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for life and I'm just tired of
not having answers.

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I'm tired of things not working
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So I didn't wake up my roommate.
I just slept on the the couch in

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the in this common area of the
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But when he got up in the
morning, my roommate and opened

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the door, I was I went in there
and I began to kind of seriously

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look for my keys, thinking that
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I hadn't remember they were in
my in the couch over at the

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girls suite.
And it, it became quickly, it

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ratcheted up to the point that I
was throwing stuff around the

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room and there were some other
guys from our suite who were

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kind of peeking their heads into
the room like, hey, what's,

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what's the matter with him?
And I thought, you know what,

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I'm, I'm going to show them that
I'm in control here.

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And I went out and I punched the
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And I've never been that mad
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I can remember it was almost a
fury.

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And it was a very stupid fury
because the wall was concrete.

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And when my hand hit it, I could
hear it snap.

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And I thought, this isn't going
to be good.

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And my hand did not look like
abnormal hand.

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So I'm, I, I'm then off down to
the University of Virginia

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Medical Center to get some
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I'm by myself.
The doctor said.

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He said, hey, I bet you he just
got to laugh.

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And he said, I bet you punched
the wall.

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And I really thought, you know,
I have one good hand left.

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I'm I'm going to hit him with
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I mean, I was just that I was
that broken.

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He offered me Novocaine to
before he set the bone.

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I said no, just just go ahead
and set it, Mick, don't ever do

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that.
Take the novocaine, right?

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Take, take the, take what they
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So I come home and I come home,
come back to the apartment

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later.
My hands looks like a club.

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I've got what's called a boxer's
fracture.

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And I'm sitting on the edge of
my bed and my, my probably my

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hands and my, my head and my
hands.

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Just like I can't figure this
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I'm only a couple months into
school and stuff.

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The wheels are coming off.
I can't figure life out.

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And yeah, I was crying and, and
that's when son sort of said,

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hey, I remember him coming by
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a few minutes, I can talk.
So I, as I recall it, Peter, you

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would come in and you shared
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reason there were so many
struggles in your life and you

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didn't have answers was because
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And you explained to me, and I
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but basically that Jesus was God
and he died for my sins and now

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I'm a Sinner and that if I would
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would do that and make the next
thing I remember, I'm, you know,

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I'm, I'm, he's after that
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I was like, I'll take it.
I don't know what all it

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involves, but I'll take it.
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I was in tears, but I asked
Jesus, I said, Jesus, will you

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save me?
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And so, yeah, I, I, it was a, it
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It was a it it that changed the
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life.
Now, what Peter shared earlier

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about God, whatever it takes to
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I didn't know that.
And so I found out later as I'm

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talking, Peter and I have become
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He was the best man in my
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We've maintained contact over
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somehow that he'd been praying.
And I said, well, what was it

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that you were praying for?
He said, well, I was praying

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that whatever God had to do to
break you, he would break you.

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And coincidentally, that was the
day that I punched the wall and

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broke a hand that he would he
would introduce me to Jesus

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Christ.
So that was pretty impactful.

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Yeah, no pun intended.
So Slick, let let's rewind a

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little bit because what I heard
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lost.
They fall had fallen out of your

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pocket and so you slept in the
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So it's fair to say that you
didn't have the best night of

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sleep, but you also had some
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it sounds like you would have

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been what most people would
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I guess you know what I mean.
Like you've had at least some

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degree of sleep and and yet you
are moved into this kind of like

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rage.
So like what?

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Tell us a little bit more about
like what was prompting all of

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that, particularly in the
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Yeah, I again, Nick, I think it
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have any purpose for your life,
then why does it matter how you

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live and what you do?
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because it meant, you know, what
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it has no purpose?
So I think it was those kind of

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inner turmoil that I was
wrestling with.

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And when you can't have answers,
life just doesn't really have

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much meaning.
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There's nothing really to live
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And so it really doesn't matter
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To a degree, I think that's
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And again, I, I I've never been.
I, I can distinctly remember

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that time.
I've never, as I approached that

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wall and knew I was going to hit
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I distinctly remember.
I've never felt this kind of

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anger before.
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Wow.
So Peter, let's come to you.

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Help us understand what prompts
you or why you end up sliding

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into Slick's room, as he's
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face in one hand and clubbed
hand the other one.

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As I share it, I was praying for
him probably couple times a day.

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And so naturally, I mean, my
guess is probably the way God

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seems to work is he placed me
where perhaps I need to be and

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he was in time of need and he
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So my guess is that it's just,
you know, I could say I just

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constantly walked in there, but
I would probably say it was

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probably the God's leading dead
led me into his room just to see

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how he was doing.
Now, back then, I didn't know

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how to pray for people.
So I would just simply pray Lord

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for some people break them,
especially when they seem

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stubborn.
I would use that prayer.

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But generally speaking, I would
just, I, I would normally pray

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that people will see the
emptiness of their life apart

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from Christ.
And so as he was sharing that, I

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was reminded of my frequent
prayers for my street mates and

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other people.
So yes, at this point I would

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say it was just God leading me
to talk to him because he, his

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heart was probably open.
That was already working in his

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heart.
Yeah, wow.

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Peter's been very impactful my
life after that I can remember

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he talked about praying for me.
He this good news that he shared

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with me, I wanted to share with
another high school friend who

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came up probably several months
later.

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And I did not know how to start
that conversation, but I knew

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that if I could talk with Peter,
he would probably be able to

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give me some guidance.
So I can remember going back to

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his room to knock on the door
and there was no answer.

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And this was in the day before
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So this is back in 19, still
1989 at this juncture, I think.

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And my phone rings and I pick it
up and, and it was Peter.

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And without saying hello, he
just said, well, what do you

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want?
And I just said, well, I need to

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talk to Steve.
That was my friend.

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And I need to tell him about the
same Jesus.

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What do I do?
And I don't remember the

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conversation, what the points
were when I hung it up.

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And then it's you kind of have
this Eureka moment a little bit

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later.
You're like, wait a minute, did

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that, Did that just happen?
And Peter, I think you were in a

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car driving along, if I remember
the story correctly, afterwards.

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And you just said, hey, stop,
I've got to call Slick.

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So just a.
Is that right?

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Yes.
I don't know whether it was a

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car or I was in a bus, but I
just had a strong sense I need

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to get out, give them a call.
And you don't call people and

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say, hey, well, what do you
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That would be weird, but it was.
I think what I noticed is when

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we pray for people at times,
that kind of gives us a burden,

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an idea or a kind of sense, you
know, where that person is or

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what that person needs and it
just happened to be.

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I have no idea why I said that,
but I had a strong feeling that

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I need to call him for some
reason.

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He was trying to reach me, yes.
Wow.

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And so you would have been with
others then it sounds like in

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this car or bus?
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I don't remember all the
details, but I do remember

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having this sense of urgency,
desire to to stop and give them

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a call.
OK, so Slick, let's let's come

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back to the suite.
You're in your room and you

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accept Jesus as your savior.
Tell us maybe a little bit more

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about what happens in the moment
right after that.

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Oh, gosh, Like I, I, I don't
know that I remember I could

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tell there was a difference.
You know, if not, then no

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problems.
Rosie passed.

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Since then, it's, it's been
tough and some certainly many

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times, but there's been a hope.
And yeah, I'm just so thankful

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for that.
I, I'll hopefully in a little

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bit, I could tell you a little
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my dad who died.
And then yeah, again, it's just

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changed the entire trajectory of
my life and, and, and and my

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kids life.
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Absolutely.
All right, we'll get to that in

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a, in a, a moment or two.
But why don't you tell us a

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little bit about how your
relationship changed?

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Because I'm going to assume
guys, that sure was like you

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probably stopped avoiding Peter,
but I don't want to assume, so

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you tell us.
No, you're exactly right.

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In fact, it was a very much a
reversal.

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I, I, I would spend a lot of
time without joy and spending

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time with him.
I can remember Peter, I, I don't

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know if you started the prayer
meeting, but over in Gilmore

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Auditorium, I remember about
four or so folks praying on the

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floor and I'm like, wow, this is
what are they doing?

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Seems like they're, they're
getting in touch with God.

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I want to know this.
And then I would often be over

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at Peter's place.
I think we maintained a very

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good friendship throughout,
throughout college.

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And then I, I, I mentioned that
when I got married, Peter was my

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best man.
He really poured into to me.

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So thankful for that.
So yeah, I would say our

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relationship changed
extensively.

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And Peter, how about for you?
How was the change?

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Yes, it was.
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We, we got a lot closer
obviously.

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And I remember, yeah, Slick had
that desire, that hunger to grow

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spiritually and naturally.
At that time, that was

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spiritual.
Things were on my mind.

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And so when you're with people
who want to learn more about

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God, want to grow, I was getting
fired up.

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I was excited and I wanted to
spend more and more time.

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So I feel like in the course of
rest of the year, both of us

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have grown spiritually as we try
to encourage and feed and

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challenge one another to grow.
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So you know, Flick mentioned the
prayer meeting.

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So in the Korean American church
contact, as I kind of alluded

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to, there was a spiritual
awakening revival among the

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Korean American youth.
So it was not uncommon for

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students on their own to have a
prayer meeting out of all things

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right student LED it will be
hour or two and it's not your

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typical conversational prayer.
It's really crying out to the

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Lord and you can't really
manufacture it was really the

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work of the spirit.
I'm sure it kind of freak

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flicked out initially perhaps I
don't know.

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So, yeah, so we were using
school building because we just

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needed to find a quiet place to
pray.

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And that I'm so thankful that
relationship was slick.

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Not only continued for the rest
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to this day, I guess it's about
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So thank God for that.
Yeah, indeed.

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Praise God.
Well, Peter, let's go back to

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Slick's room and Slick is on his
knees.

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He's now accepted Jesus as his
savior.

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What was that like for you?
Why?

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There was just tremendous joy.
The joy that's, I don't know,

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hard to describe.
In the Bible, it says that

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there's a great rejoicing in
heaven when one person comes to

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know Christ.
So I feel like I had a, a

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picture of that.
It's better than it was better

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than me winning some school
awards or added or like, you

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know, besides the moment when I
became a Christian received

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Christ that that must been one
of the at least half five, you

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know, greatest joys of my life.
I do feel like when you're used

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by God to help somebody find new
life in Christ, that it's not

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just my joy, but it's God's joy
that God allows me to experience

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at that moment.
So it's hard to describe, but

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after experiencing something
like that I just I just can't

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help but to still continue to
share about Christ with others.

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How man, thank you guys both for
sharing about this.

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What I've heard from you boys
both thus far is I have heard a

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lot of symmetry in your
language, and I'm curious as to

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whether or not that is
intentional in this conversation

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or is just happening as a result
of God's leading.

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And what I mean by that is I
heard about a lot of emptiness,

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meaning slick you had talked
about I felt empty.

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I felt empty and I didn't have
answers.

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And Peter, you talked about, I
prayed for the folks that I felt

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were the greatest or seem to
have the greatest amount of

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emptiness and the greatest
amount of stubbornness.

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And then it seems like there's a
lot of symmetry with with joy as

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well.
So anything you guys want to say

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on that?
I mean, I don't, I don't think

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you guys have planned that for
this part of the conversation.

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Think this speaks to the reality
of the joy that we have in

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Christ and when as a Christian,
when I when we do the work of

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God, as we complain who Jesus
is, how he has changed us, how

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he could change people,
especially when the other people

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respond, there is this joy
that's hard to like describe.

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You know, it's a supernatural
joy from above.

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And so and because it's a same
God, I suppose it's like, you

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know, he understands what I'm
talking about.

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So that's my explanation.
Well, guys, you have both been

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so gracious to tell us this
entire story and we asked these

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questions of all of our guests.
So Peter, we'll start with you.

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The first question being, was it
coincidence or God that all of

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these events unfolded, meaning
Slick has a broken hand in

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response to your prayers, I.
Would say that is definitely God

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because this is not a isolated
story, at least in my life.

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As I look back, the more I pray,
more coincidence seems to

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happen.
So at certain point I would say,

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yeah, it's probably not
coincidence, but really God

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answering prayer.
So for me it's definitely God

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thing.
Yeah, praise God.

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OK, Slick, same question for
you.

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Was it coincidence or God?
I, I, I did have to be God, but

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it's just too much.
There's there's too many

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coincidences in all of this to
to discount that it was God.

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And that's my, that's my, I feel
on that one, Yeah.

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Awesome.
Well, thank you guys for your

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transparency and your responses.
Well, we land the plane in each

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of these episodes with the final
question, and Peter will go to

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you for this one first as well.
Tell us about how your life has

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been changed or impacted as a
result of your prayer being

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answered.
Slick being broken, Slick being

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saved.
Oh, that was just a great

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reminder, encouragement from me
of what I can do in people's

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lives.
And so that further motivated me

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to keep on living for God and to
do my best to share with others

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who Christ is, how he could give
a blessed, meaningful, a new

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life, a life of joy.
And so even to this day, I do my

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best to be involved in Search
campus ministry as much as I can

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because I want to see people
come to know who Jesus is and

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00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,440
just and for me, just the joy of
even just sharing about Christ

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and the joy that comes when
other people respond to Jesus.

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It's indescribable.
And, and I'm thankful because

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because of this relationship
that Slick and I we had, we had

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chances to even do ministry
together in Virginia.

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There is a college retreat in
the fall called Serpents

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Retreat.
So at one retreat we slick was

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00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,560
slick and I were two of the
speakers.

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And so being able to do ministry
together, it's a it was a

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special moment when I thought
about how God orchestrated all

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this and we could still remain
friends and I will and that we

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could still encourage one
another to live for God.

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Yeah, that's so cool.
That is so neat.

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Well, Slick, how about you tell
us a little bit, or maybe even a

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lot about how your life has been
impacted from that moment?

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Oh my goodness.
I've said it I think a couple

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times that'll change the entire
trajectory.

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I'll give you some examples.
So all this, the event that we

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described happened in our first
year at Virginia.

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And at the end of that, towards
the end of the year, Peter, I

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don't know if you remember
telling me this, but you advised

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00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,000
me, hey, you've got to get
involved in a good church

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because those summer months are
going to be difficult without

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some encouragement.
And so I, I went home to the

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Eastern Shore of Virginia where
I'm from, and I saw a tent

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revival on the side of the road.
That's, those are things sort of

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of yesteryear, if you will.
And I attended that and I met a

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00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,400
local pastor and I started to
attend this church.

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Mick, I want to tie tie this all
back into what I opened saying

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tonight or today on this call on
this call was that my father had

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died when I was 13.
And now I'm at a point when I'm,

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I guess I'm 1819 at this
juncture where I've understand

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from the Bible that Jesus is the
only way to heaven.

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He said it himself.
He said I'm the way, the truth

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and the life and no man comes
through the father but by me.

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And so that made me think about,
well, wait a minute, what

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happened to my dad?
Because I never heard that

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message growing up.
So I'm attending this church,

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this local, very small church,
and there's this girl from high

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00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,440
school sitting next to this
older lady, grey haired lady.

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There was probably 60 years
difference in their age, maybe a

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little bit more.
Well, this young girl was

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sitting next to her great
grandmother.

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And it turned out that her great
grandmother had raised her.

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She'd grown up with her great
grandmother.

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And at this church, I've met the
pastor and I have some

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significance in a minute as
well.

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I, I was talking with the pastor
and the pastor said, is your

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brother so and so?
And I said, yes, that's, that is

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my brother, my brother.
I have two older brothers.

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And this was the older of the
two brothers.

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And he said, well, that means
your dad was so and so right?

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And I said, yes, that's that's
right.

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And it turns out that the older
lady I just described, her name

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was Ellen Baker.
Ellen Baker was married to a man

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named Enos Baker.
And when my dad was in the

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hospital dying of lung cancer,
it is towards the very end, Enos

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Baker was in the room right next
door.

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And the pastor had visited Enos
because Enos attended his

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church, but he realized my dad
was in the room next door, and

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00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,720
he ultimately got a chance to go
in and talk with my dad.

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00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,920
It's sure probably the same kind
of message that Peter shared

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00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,560
with me.
And this pastor communicated to

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me.
He said, you know what?

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I was able to share that
message.

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And I believe that your father
trusted Christ as his Savior

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00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,360
before he died.
I was blown away.

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00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,440
I mean, I was blown away.
The other thing that's really

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00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,680
interesting is that young girl
who was sitting next to Ellen

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00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,040
Baker, the, the great
grandmother is now my wife.

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00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:53,440
So you talk about, I'm not going
to put coincidence on it, but I

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00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,000
mean, just the, the Providence,
the sovereign hand of God

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00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,440
working to help, to help someone
like me, it's just amazing.

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And I look back on that.
I think I didn't deserve any of

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00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,640
it, and yet God has lavished
that kind of thing on me and I'm

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so grateful for that.
So, yeah.

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So how has it changed my life in
every way?

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In every way, praise God.
Oh.

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00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:29,520
That's so good, gentlemen.
It has been a pleasure having

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both of you guys on.
Really appreciate it, Peter.

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Thank you for being obedient and
praying because it's clearly

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changed many, many lives as a
result of that.

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So we give all the glory to God.
But thank you guys both for

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being on.
Super fun to chat.

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What an amazing story.
You guys are both awesome.

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00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,840
We really appreciate it and
we'll catch up soon.

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00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,720
Thanks mate.
Thank you for having us.

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Was it coincidence or God?
You decide for yourself, but I

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believe you just heard a story
for His glory.

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